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"Dulce Et Decorum Est"
"Hiroshima"
"Immigrants"

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  1. IMMIGRANTS

    1. I thought the lengths that these people would go through for themselves and their children just to fit into the American world was interesting. I also thought that the key “American” traits, like hot dogs, football, blonde hair, blue eyes, and apple pie that the author chose to mention were interesting. This is because while reading it, the reader is able to see a snapshot of America from a outsider’s point of view. I liked the way that this poem was written from the point of view of an immigrant. I think this allowed the author to show how that person really feels when they think that they do not fit into the “American” mold.

    2. The first line of the poem is “wrap their babies in the American flag.” To wrap is to cover and surround. Literally, the baby is being wrapped with the flag as if it were a blanket. Figuratively, the baby is being surrounded with the American culture and becoming one with this new environment. The tenth, eleventh, and twelfth lines say “when the babies sleep, whisper in a dark parent bed, that dark parent fear.” Dark is symbolic of being disguised and buried. The “parent fear” is dark because they are hiding who they truly are and do not feel as though they are true to themselves.


    DULCE ET DECORUM EST

    1. This poem was interesting because it is about soldiers and some type of battle. I liked the last line of the poem because it was written in Latin and was a secret until it was looked up. I thought that it was interesting how the battle and death was not shown in a good way, but a gruesome way. The author then states that it is a lie that “it is sweet and seemly to die for one’s country.” I think it was interesting how the author exposes his true feelings on how gory battles and fights are.

    2. In the second stanza of the poem, green is mentioned three times. In the line, “as under a green sea, I saw him drowning,” the sea is said to be green. The color green is symbolic for envy and jealousy. The person who was watching this man drown did not help him because he was resentful of him. Also, a sea represents cleansing and a new beginning. The bystander felt free and as if he was rid of his unhappiness as the other man drowned.


    WELCOME TO HIROSHIMA

    1. In this poem, I thought that it was interesting how the author seems to have flashbacks to this day when people suffered such a tragedy. I also liked the specific details that allow the reader to see pictures of what this city must have looked in the midst of all of the destruction. I thought that the way the author seems irritated that there are memorial museums and commemorations set up was interesting, as well. The author seems to think that it is disrespectful to those who actually survived through the horror. At the end of the poem, the author states that the past could repeat itself and then people would understand how she feels.

    2. One thing that was repeated throughout the poem was the word glass. Towards the end of the poem, a line states, “an exhibit under glass is glass itself: a shard the bomb slammed in a woman’s arm.” This piece of glass in her arm was broken. Broken glass is symbolic of bad luck. In some of the lines that follow this stanza, the author mentions that the past could repeat itself again. If a disaster like this were to ever happen again, it would be very unlucky and misfortunate for the people of Hiroshima. When the author says that this could happen again, she says that it “worked its filthy way out like a tongue.” A tongue symbolizes a curse. If this were to happen to these people again, it would be like a curse on them, as to punish them for the way they displayed the ramifications of the incident the first time.

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  2. J. Michelle UpchurchApril 20, 2011 at 6:08 PM

    “Dulce Et Decorum Est”

    1) This story is fascinating because of the title alone – “Dulce Et Decorum Est”. The title’s meaning is literally “It is sweet and good/proper/fitting to die for one’s country.” However, reading the poem the soldiers’ fear and pain is evident. Owen goes to great lengths to show the horrors of WWI that he has encountered. Owen states, “Men marched asleep.” “Drunk with fatigue; deaf …”. He was saying that even though they had been through horrible and excruciating experience they marched still not even aware of their surroundings. It was as though they were on auto-pilot. His use of vivid words, such as “guttering, choking, drowning.” creates an image etched on the reader’s brain. The men, young and old, from both sides of WWI would never have been prepared for the green gas or the killings. This is almost a warning for young men at home to stay away.

    2) The second stanza shows excitement to hurry to put a gas mask on. “Gas! Gas! Quick boys! – An ecstasy of fumbling, …” These men, exhausted and bloody show sparks of life – only to which will save their life. He describes one solider as “drowning” under the green gas. The word green to me symbolizes the soldiers’’ misfortune because they were in this fight. At the end he actually shows the true meaning behind his poem. “The old Lie: ….” It is truly as if he is trying to warn the young men at home to stay home. That it is not honorable to die the way he’s seen his men die.

    “Welcome to Hiroshima”

    1) The poem is set in modern day times; however, it reflects upon the Atomic Bomb being dropped in Japan. The direct connections with modern day time are the billboards being flashed in English while promoting Japan’s technology – Toshiba Electric. The poem describes how so many memories are preserved behind glass in order to make sure the natives and the visitors don’t forget what happened. It’s a country proud of what they’ve created; yet, are steeply brewed in their past.

    2) The words on line 19 describe what should be a peaceful setting, “Passing by the Peace Park’s floral hypocenter …) create the reader to briefly journey to a safe place in their mind, but quickly turns to describe, “ … humanity erased its own erasure).” The author is almost mocking the readers. She’s saying that Japan put something peaceful up; however, just a few more steps and behind glass you will truly see the horrors.

    “Immigrants”

    1) This poem was purely symbolic. The author Mora describes in such beauty the desire for a better life for their child. Mora doesn’t appear to say that these immigrants want their children to be blue eyed and blonde hair, but rather they want their children to have all the opportunities they see young American children having. The intriguing fact to me is how they hide their language. These parents learn English in order to teach their children, yet they still keep the native language around.

    2) The American flag is red, white and blue. These colors represent desire, strength, youth and stability. The immigrants certainly want their children to have a stable life and be able to gain or do anything that comes their way. The author shows the immigrants fear, “Will they like our boy, or girl, our fine American boy, our fine American girl?” Mora is showing their vulnerability which in tells makes them work even harder to have their children fit in.

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  3. DULCE ET DECORUM EST

    1) I believe this poem to give a fitting example of how war is. Wilfred Owen captured true fear when writing this. Unless this poem pumps you up and gets you excited then why enlist in the army? War never changes. "If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
    Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs" That line alone describes the horrors. "If you could hear" Like out of everything that happened this is the one thing that showed his human side and stuck out the most. He even ends the poem with "The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est Pro patria mori." The old lie that it is proud and honorable to fight and die for your country.

    2) The line " Gas! Quick, boys! – An ecstasy of fumbling" Clearly gas has fallen and surrounded him and his troops. The term ecstasy can mean escape and bliss. To say "an ecstasy of fumbling" suggests that it was a frantic rush to escape the surround gas in order to get back to the bliss of clean, fresh air. The line "Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs, Obscene as cancer..." Obscene can mean eyesore or visually unappealing. The fact that the author has nothing else to compare his horrific visions to except obscene cancer truly shows how horrible it is.

    Welcome to Hiroshima

    1) What is interesting to me about this poem is how even though America was the one who dropped the bombs the beginning of this poem almost talks about how great America is. Then it goes on to say it's not as bad off as some people think. "But no, the water's clear,
    they pour it for your morning cup of tea" No contamination, no pollutants. The water is safe to drink. However, by the end of the poem you are feeling as impacted as you did the first time you learn of Hiroshima.

    2) "in one of the countless sunny coffee shops" the term sunny often describes things of good nature or just a overall pleasant feeling. Coffee shops are places everybody goes to. If the sign outside said "Come into our sunny coffee shop" It gives the feeling of a warm invite that says come on in, everything is fine here. "hang from their fingertips; or as if tied
    to recall a duty for us" Often people have tied strings on their fingers in order to not forget something. This quote shows the reader that although in some point of the poem it sounds good and pleasant, that even over time the feelings and effects of Hiroshima are long gone, but not forgotten.

    Immigrants

    1) I think this has to be my favorite of the three. Not sure if it's because of my American humor to find mild racism humorous, not true or justifiable, but mildly humorous. I mean the whole thing screams America. If somebody asked me the best way to tell them about America I would probably just show them this poem. "...hot dogs and apple pie..." Not sure how more American you can get than that.

    2) "buy them blonde dolls that blink blue
    eyes" Blonde and blue eyes usually describes that of something pure and all good. Don't think I need to give the example of a time when Blonde hair and blue eyes were considered the only pure thing in a country. Because the author says blonde and blue shows immigrants views on what America is. Good or bad thing? "football and tiny cleats before the baby can even walk" The author continues to use things that are easily associated with America. In this case it's football. Football can be two different sports, but for the nature of this poem it's referring to American football. Once again the author shows immigrants views on what they need to know to make it in America.

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  4. IMMIGRANTS:

    1) Mora wrote an interesting poem about the immigrant parents. The poem has shown that they want to raise their kids in fully america culture. The parents felt the need for kids to completely fit in america. The author wrote about immigrants parent of how they want their kids to be involved to have a good life with the other ameircans and its culture.
    2) The line from the poem states, "name them Bill and Daisy". The immigrants obivously want them to be ameircaans espeically wwith the american names hmm. the other line is "whisper in Spanish or Polish when the babies sleep" shows me thaat they dont want thier kids to learn their own native language or myabe juts not yet. they want their children to know english fully first.

    WELCOME TO HIROSHIMA

    1) Mary jo Salter wrote about the poem towards her feelings or beliefs. she spoke about how wrong she feels that alot of people died while the bomob were dropped. the buildings and the events were later re bult up and form a mumsems. She felt that was not wright. whereas the people died from the bomb should be preserved as a tribute.
    2)one of the line that the author wrote were, "thirst for history". Authors stated that it should be remembered the area where people died there, not re create new events there such as Peace Park. It is almost like they covered that people didnt die there. Also, on the line 20, "humanity erased its own erasure. Like in earlier, she felt events should not be re created, it should be left that way where atomic bomb were dropped and killed people there. she wanted to leave it that way. to keep the history, not erasing it.

    Dulce Et Decorum Est

    1) The author wrote about the soliders. it was interesting to see how the soliders died. About what was it like for the soliders to be in a world war. the author Owen described that the soliders lost their boots, they coughed like hag and they cursed through sludge. He saw a man drown in the water.
    2)On the line 11, 12. The Authoer Owen wrote, "He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning". He watched a man hurt from being stuck in the water. Also the other lines "If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood. Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs" He saw the man die and wwas helpless. he tried to tell the young boys to not do what his men did. Future soliders should be a caution from the green gas

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  5. Dulce Et Decorum Est
    1. Gives a different account than what you would think about during war. It is not often that you hear a story of actual bloodshed during war, except in movies. War is not pretty and that is why I choose to support soldiers even if I don’t like what they are there for.

    2. “Drunk with fatigue” describes how tired the soldiers were and yet they still kept on doing their work. “All went lame; all blind” describes how all the soldiers were subjected to this horrible seen but all became almost immune to it being horrible and kept fighting.

    Welcome to Hiroshima
    1. The poem describes a person that seems upset that no one remembers Hiroshima. When the narrator speaks of going into the museum to see what is on display about Hiroshima the narrator gets upset again. It appears that the narrator is upset about the museum because it does not portray the bomb as graphic and disturbing as it really is.

    2. The wristwatch shows that the child wearing it had lost there time with life, in other words, it was their time to die, but showing it in the museum shows that you still have a life to live. “As on a dish of blistered glass” shows us that the articles in the museum are put out on a plate like you would receive at a restaurant where everything is made to look pretty. It hides the devastation behind the pretty effects.

    Immigrants
    1. This poem speaks of immigrants that come to this country that try to have their children to grow up American without their heritage past. Parents worry more about their children fitting in than their own culture.

    2. The American flag represents the freedom that the immigrants have now been given. The blue eyes in the dolls represent their suppressant past cultures and ways.

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  6. Dulce et Decorum Est
    This poem was written during World War I and seems to be about a band of men who are trying to escape a certain battle and during that time a few of them are dying. I think the author does a wonderful job of portraying just how awful this war was really was. In line 12 he talks about a man dying right in front of him. He talks about the sounds of death he is making and how unbearable it is to watch. The line “Drunk with fatigue…” states that the soldiers are exhausted yet they know they must continue on their journey if they are going to survive. Although the world was falling down around them, they know they must keep going, no matter what happens.

    Welcome to Hiroshima
    This poem is set in the modern day and talks about the bombing of Hiroshima which took place so many years ago. The reader knows that is set in modern day because the author talks about the billboard that is showing the local news. It talks about the history that took place here. In the beginning the peom describes the water, “ and when to drink the blood and scum afloat on the Ohta River. But no, the water’s clear…”. I believe this symbolizes the amount of lives that were lost in the bombing of Hiroshima. There were so many people killed that the blood was everywhere and all these years later, there is life in Japan. They country has recovered well from the tragedy. It talks about a peaceful place now, “Passing by the Peace Park’s floral hypocenter …you enter the memorial museum…”. The reader thinks this a peaceful place but really, behind the glass, is the horror that took place the day Hiroshima was bombed. It is a good poem about tragedy and the links people will go to so they can recover.

    Immigrants
    This was a very short poem but had a whole lot to say. These immigrants came here from different country’s and want to fit in to America so much that they will go to any lengths., “wrap their babies in the American flag and feed them mashed hot dogs and apple pie…” Of course, hot dogs and apple pie are very symbolic to America. I think the author was using these two examples to show how badly these immigrants love America. By stating they wrap their babies in the American flag the author is symbolizing how they are teaching their children about American values. By talking about speaking to them in thick American accents the author is stating that the immigrants are teaching their children all there is to learn about America.

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  7. Sheriese L. IdleburgApril 21, 2011 at 3:05 PM

    "Immigrants"
    1) What is interesting about the poem, "Immigrants," written by Pat Mora, was that is showed an outside view of how an immigrant may portray for an all american to look like. The poem demonstrates a desperate need of an immigrant family searching for acceptance in american life. "Wrap their babies in the American flag," is symbolic for living a life as an american would live and allowing their children to represent their country as americans. Feeding the children mashed hot dogs and applie pie are considered american dishes which symbolizes the american way of eating and naming the children Bill or Daisy symbolizes normal names for an american boy or girl.
    2) The overall message of this story is to get the viewer to understand the life of being an american even though they see life as looking inside from the outside view. Immigrants see americans as having blonde hair and blue eyes in which was portrayed when the author described the baby doll. Buy them blonde dolls that blink blue
    eyes symbolizes the traits of an average american girl. Another example is when the author describes how the american parent whispers thick English in the child's ear when they are asleep. "Speak to them in thick English,
    hallo, babee, hallo, whisper in Spanish or Polish" is symbolic for how americans converse. The immigrant parent would want to teach the child how to speak in english instead of their native language.

    "Dulce Et Decorum Est"
    1)The poem, "Dulce Et Decorum Est," written by W. Owen, was fascinating to me because of how descriptive it is and how it made me feel life I was in the war without physically being there. The poem took place in World War I. and the narrator gave complete descriptions of what the soldiers were going through while trying to escape dangers in their path. "Many had lost their boots but limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind; drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots" symbolizes how the soldiers desperately trying to escape the noise made by the shells rushing through the air and bullets flying everywhere. The soldiers so weak from fighting desperately try to find safety and along the way try to help others that may not be as fortunate to escape the dangers alone. "But someone still was yelling out and stumbling,
    And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime." The narrator ends the poem by saying " Dulce et Decorum est Pro patria mori" which means it is sweet and right to die for your country. The quote symbolizes that it is a wonderful and great honor to fight and die for your country.

    "Hiroshima"
    1) What I found interesting about the poem, "Hiroshima," written by M.J. Salter, was of how it describes the hardships people suffered during that time and how they tried to maintain a normal life even though they were suffering after the bombings. In the beginning of the story, the poem describes how a person was so upset because it seemed that everyone forgot about the victims of Hiroshima. The narrator speaks about going into the museum to see what is on display about Hiroshima and seem to get upset of what he saw. Also in the beginning of the story, the narrator describes the water, “ and when to drink the blood and scum afloat on the Ohta River. But no, the water’s clear…”. The quote symbolizes all the livesthis symbolizes the amount of lives th that were lost in the bombings. Scum afloat can represent the dead bodies floating in the clear water which made the water seem cloudy and dirty from the blood dripping from the life-less bodies.
    2)The overall message for this poem is that there were so many lives taking from the bombings in Hiroshima and that no one seems to remember or want to remember what happened to all of the victims who suffered during this time. Many people see Hiroshima as a beautiful and peaceful place but behind all of the lies, there is a story of how so many innocent lives were taken in just a blink of an eye.

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  8. Dulce Et Decorum Est
    1. What I found to be interesting is the description of a battle field from a fighter’s prospective. It is a totally different view once you see it through the soldier’s eyes. The poem has great detail and finally the author concludes with his view point. It shows how he really felt about that battle.
    2. In line nineteen the author describes the look on the soldier affected by the “gas”. He describes his eyes as being white. White has a symbolic meaning for death. The author is trying to relate death with the battle to persuade people to be against wars.
    In the last and second to last line, the author is trying to make one final attempt in convincing people that the war is not the way to go. He mentions the following: “The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori.” The fact that he said it in Latin makes me think he is trying to keep this quote for being understood as if he would not want us to think that dying for your country is an honorable thing.

    Welcome to Hiroshima

    1. What I found to be interesting in this poem is the fact that even though time passed by and the physical pain is no longer there, the marks of the Hiroshima bomb is still carried in people’s eyes.
    2. The author mentions the word glass few times in the story. Glass is fragile and so is the future of human kind. It shows how someone’s decision can affect so many lives.
    The author also repeats the time of “eight-fifteen”. I believe the reason for the repetition is to show that time is irrelevant when it comes to an end. For the people that where dying it did not matter it was eight-fifteen.

    Immigrants
    1. What I found to be interesting in this poem is the way the author describes the behavior of American families and how immigrants are trying to fit in. It puts a positive light on all immigrants trying look for a better future.
    2. In the second line, the author mentions the names Bill and Daisy. Symbolically, these names represent America. The author is trying to tell the audience that all immigrants try to blend in as much as possible and even though they may never get rid of the thick accent, they will do what it’s in their power to fit in, even if it means to give their children American names.
    In the end, the author concludes the poem with two questions that show one of the main worries immigrants face. Will their children be seen as Americans, or will they be left out from the crowd. I believe the author is telling the audience that the immigrant parents see their children as being American so we should see them the same way.

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  9. Dulce et decorum est
    1. I find the tempo of the tale interesting. When reading the poem the rhythm created adds a component of depth to the tale.
    2. In line 19 the “white eyes”, white is intended to symbolize the goal of purification, while the eyes are known to be the windows to the soul. The soldier is writhing and choking and about to meet his maker and therefore seeks redemption for his sins of war.
    The “thick green light” in line 13 has duality. Light is typically used to symbolize enlightenment, while in this context green is a symbol for evil or trickery. Since it is green light, evil forces are at work.
    IMMIGRANTS
    1. The message of the immigrants desire to wash away the culture from the homeland is what I find fascinating. Many immigrants in years past would change their names to sound more American. The active attempt to melt into the pot is a shame. The immigrants in the poem are so concerned about their child being accepted, that they are willing to rob them of their heritage and culture.
    2. The immigrants “wrap their babies in the American flag.” The colors of the flag are red, white and blue. The color red is symbolic for the love for the child and the desire to be more American. The color white is symbolic for the innocence of the child, while the blue is symbolic for the loyalty to America shared by the immigrants.
    Welcome to Hiroshima
    1. The writer gives the impression that the current city should not be such a clean and happy place because of its grim past. The conflict between having a successful recovery from devastation with such a significant tragedy leaves the reader bewildered. One is left to wonder if the writer would prefer for the city to wallow in misery rather than overcome and triumph.
    2. In “worked its filthy way out like a tongue,” the tongue suggests language but can also be the voice of God. The glass protrudes from the wound like a tongue, to tell a message from God, warning everyone the evils of striking with lethal force.
    The writer makes several references to glass. Glass symbolizes an alternate dimension as a fairy tale world. The paradox is the fantasy world appears to be the present time, while the world behind the glass is a nightmare.

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  10. Dulce Et Decorum Est
    At first glance of this poem, i thought to myself "is this in Spanish"? The name of this poem "Dulce Et Decorum Est" means "It is sweet and fitting to die". But there is more to this bold line.the complete line is "It is sweet and fitting to die for one's country". The writer may have only stated the first few words because he may have not believed in the last. "to die" meaning no life, no soul, no existence. Also, it can mean "black", void, nothingness, hopelessness. Did he think that dying for your country was nothingness? He also may have been Latin, because this solider got this line from a famous ancient Latin poet. Back in the olden days, racism was a major cause of discouragement. Maybe we didn't add the last part of the poem because he was discouraged my the United States and how they treating Latins.



    Welcome to Hiroshima

    I think this poem is about a women that want's to show who she is and not what people want her to be. She uses "glass" allot in her poem which could symbolize people looking threw her and not at her. And how people take the most simple things for granted. We just look at water as a non-calorie drink, but it needs to be looked into more deeper. She want's people to look at like threw a glass, so you can see things more clearer.




    Immigrants

    I think this poem is about how superficial and typical Americans are to immigrants. "Our fine American girl" they use, means the perfect women. In a Immigrant eyes, we Americans are perfect from afar, but up close, when Immigrants Migrate to America, they see our true colors. And maybe that is the reason why this poem sounds so sarcastic. By saying "Wrap there babies in American flag", symbolizes that they think were "all for America" with our flags attached to our cars, and red,white and blue tee shirts. This poem is saying to me "Accept difference, and not just your own".

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  11. "Immigrants"
    This story is interesting to me because the way the author illustrates what its like to be an immigrant. The author also put examples in the text about the life style of americans. Its also interesting to me that author wants to be accepted to americans and their children. "Babies wrapped in American flag" tell me that the family was to literally teach their children the american dream such as hotdogs, football, sports, ect. Also "blond hair' and "blue eyes" illustrates the typical american look, or what it commonly accepted. If the family buys their children this doll, they feel good because they are surrounding their children with american tactics.
    "Dulce Et Decorum Est"
    The name of this poem was interesting to me and it drew my attention to what it meant. It means "It is sweet and fitting to die for one's country" and in this poem it illustrates a lot of that. The author illustrates a lot of descrption that it is easy to pick up mental images of what it was like. "White eyes writing in face" means to me is that there has been death taken place. White can mean death, sorrow, pain, guilt. Its written all over his face because of what he went through and now is shown.
    "Hiroshima"
    This poem is interesting to me because the author took me back to the hard times she remembered. She gave examples of what it was like in such a hard time. Also it was easy for me to picture because this is something that could have really taken place and the memories will always be there.

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  12. "Dulce Et Decorum Est"
    The meaning of this title make it more confusing. "It is sweet/honorable to die for the fatherland" So, how befitting it is? Alot of quotation but especially these two "All went lame; all blind;" and "Bent double, like old beggars under sacks" I believe is talking about the soldiers as a good and fit person before the are before the war. After the war they were compared to beggar,lame, and blind because of the their service to their fatherland.
    I believe the use of negative connotation like: "sludge," "fatigue," "froth-corrupted," makes the reader to see war as sorrowful, sad, and ugly event. Also, "flound'ring like a man on fire or lime." i think it means suffering of the man (soldiers) and their hopelessness. All these quotes will not make a mere reader see any sweet/honorable thing in dying for one's fatherland.

    "Immigrants"
    I believes this poem is talking about people from other country who wants to fit into America culture and system. It is so straight forward, they want to suite to the saying that says, "when you are in Rome you will behave like Roman." They wants to name their children American/ English name, they want to feed them with American food, and they even want them to speak American English. But finally, I think the writer is worried about how the native American will treat/welcome these children after doing/knowing all America culture which what I believe leads to racism.

    "Hiroshima"
    I believe this is talking about referencing the victims of the bomb blasting in Hiroshima. Also, the word "glass" was used repeatedly in this poem in association with exhibition and display which I believe it suggesting that visitors and even the careless people should be cautious.

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  13. “Dulce et Decorum Est”
    This poem is interesting because the author, Wilfred Owen, tells the truth of how the hard work that being in the military entails. Young men are encouraged to join the army and fight for their country. By doing so, one gains honor. These young men are not told of the dangers of the army life. Owen describes the soldier’s innocence as “white eyes writhing” (19). The white eyes are the innocence and purity of the soldiers. The eyes writher because they eye exposed to the blood and violence of the war. Owen dreams of his fellow soldiers “guttering, choking, drowning” (16). Gutters are used to collect rain and carry water away from the roof. Symbolically, the soldiers are “guttering” their life away. Soldiers go out into the front lines not knowing what to expect until they have gone out too far and are not able to return. The soldiers are drowning because no one is able to pull them out from the fields.

    “Immigrants”
    This poem is interesting because the author, Pat Mora, has labeled Americans a certain way. Mora implies that the actions done by the immigrants in the poem are those of Americans only. According to Mora, “immigrants wrap their babies in the American flag.” Symbolically, wrapping the babies represents the process of assimilation. The immigrants are trying to make themselves become Americans. Mora goes on to say, “whisper in Spanish or Polish” (9). Usually when one whispers, it is to be unheard by others. The immigrants are whispering because they want to be accepted by the Americans, but they also want to hold on to their heritage.

    “Welcome to Hiroshima”
    This poem is interesting because the author, Mary Jo Salter, portrays Hiroshima as a beautiful city full of horrific memories. For example, Salter repeats the word “glass” throughout the poem (16, 23, 41, 42). Glass is very fragile. Symbolically, Salter is stating that although Hiroshima has recovered itself, the city is still very fragile. Salter also repeats the word “eight-fifteen” three times (36-37). The number three is used to view things as a whole. Salter wants the reader to not only see the first bombing on Japan, but also the second one, which was launched three days afterwards.

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  14. Dulce Et Decorum Est

    1) The poem tells of the reality of fighting in a war and also of the soilders dying terrible deaths. The interesting part of the poem are the lines 'Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori. The translation is "It is sweet and honorable to die for one's country." It's interesing because the poem is giving the reader a glimpse into the reality of fighting in a war and telling the reader that it may not be so sweet and honorable to die for one's country.
    2) In the line, "As under a green sea, I saw him drowning", the color green symbolizes the soilder's misfortune because he lost his life fighting for his country. The line, "Men marched asleep", represents how exhausted the soilders were.

    Immigrants

    1) The poem is interesting because it tells of the lengths that immigrant parents go to to make sure their kids are "americanized". The parents want their kids to be accepted in America and to practice American customs instead of their own.
    2) The line 'feed them mashed hot dogs and apple pie' represents America. There's nothing more American than apple pie. 'Whispher in Spanish or Polish is symbolic of the parents hiding the child's culture and heritage from them.

    Hiroshima

    1) This poem was interesting because it is a documentary of the Hiroshima incident. The author uses a lot of imagery throughout the poem.
    2) The line 'when to drink the blood and scum afloat on the Ohta River' describes the water and conditions after the incident. The author then says 'But no, the water's clear'. That's symbolic of present day Hiroshima.

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  15. Homework 04212011-Ligaya Urda
    Welcome to Hiroshima -

    1. What’s interesting about this poem is that it talks about the unfortunate incident in 1945 when the atomic explosion happened. So much devastation to lives and the environment. The poem describes what Hiroshima looked like after the incident.
    2. One is “ projects those flickering re-runs of a cloud”. Since the cloud is blue it means tranquility, harmony, confidence but in this poem it means depression. During the incident, Hiroshima was devastated and people are feeling the harmful effects of the explosion. Second, “it started to be safe to breathe the air”- The air means life, without it no one will survive. So after the explosion, the people are feeling the effects but then later they have found out that the air is safe to breathe again.


    Dulce Et Decorum Est –
    1. What is interesting about this poem is that it is about what soldiers are going through in the battlefield. The author describes the pain and sufferings of the soldiers while fighting back against the enemy. The words used to describe the war and what the soldiers encountered was very realistic.
    2. One is “deaf even to the hoots”- The word “deaf” means unable to hear which is very true especially when the surrounding is noisy and loud. Since the poem talks about war then there must be so much screaming, shooting and bombing everywhere that affected their hearing ability. Second is “ If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood”- Blood means war, violence and aggression . When there’s war there is always blood.

    Immigrants –
    1. What fascinates me in this poem is how immigrants want only the best for their children. Parents really want to make sure that their children are adapting to the new culture and new home. Immigrants want that children embrace the American ways and lifestyle.
    2. Line 1 “wrap their babies in the American flag”- Wrap means to cover, enfold and bind. In this poem, immigrants want their children to become accustomed to the American culture. Line 1 “whisper in Spanish or Polish” – The word whisper means to speak softly or speak with low voice. This means that even though they teach their children to be Americanized since they are now in the US, they also want their kids not to forget their origin.

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  16. DULCE ET DECORUM EST

    1.This poem is interesting because it tells the true story of the struggles of a soldier. It gives much graphic details of what took place in the war. The poem tells what soldiers endure when they fight for their country. It is reality of the many dangers that soldiers encounter in their line of duty.
    2.In the poem, the writer talks about the blood come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs. Blood signifies life,and so blood being coughed up signifies the end of life and the coming of death. The poem talked about "Men marched asleep." This signifies that the soldiers were not aware of what is ahead. At any moment their lives can be taken away. They are asleep or unconcious about what can occur in their line of duty.

    Immigrants
    This poem is interesting because it tells of how patriotic the immigrants want to be just to fit in. The poem gives insight of how far the immigrants can go to prove that they love their country. The poem tells of how the immigrants wrap their babies in the American flag. This signifies that they are dedicated to their country, and by wrapping the babies in the American flag would make them more American. The immigrants whisper in Spanish or Polish. Whispering signifies secret. The immigrants are ashamed to talk their native language loud, and whisper when they talk to each other using their own language. They only talk American aloud when others around.

    Hiroshima

    In the poem Hiroshima, it tells of the tragic event that destroyed the lives of so many people. It is interesting to read of how the explosion affected the lives of so many people. The writer Mary Jo Salter talks about "It started to be safe to breathe the air." Breathing signifies life. If the air is not safe for breathing, then death will occur. The writer also said "Like gloves a mother clips to coatsleeves." Gloves are meant to hide the fingerprints of somone who would like to remain unknown. The writer is talking about hiding the identity of the people because of how drastic the event is. No one wants to be part of this terribel incident, and would prefer to hide from such instead of facing the reality.

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  17. Dulce et Decorum Est

    Fascinating is an understatement for this poem. The English meaning of the title is, it is sweet and right. This poem offers a clear image of the horrors suffered during war and that the term, “sweet and right to die for your country.” is false. It is courageous to die for your country, it is honorable to die for your country, but it is not sweet. The examples used in the poem show us just how horrible it was. Exhausted soldiers, bombshells falling, and poisonous gas are a few of them. I am not a fan of war, and this poem reinforces my viewpoint.

    There were multiple symbols used in this poem. The poem reads, “Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light.” The “misty panes” represent the gas masks they are wearing to protect them from the “green light,” which symbolizes the poisonous gas floating around them. As well, the narrator notes, “His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin.” The devil represents evil and pain and sin is his entire existence. This represents the ugliness of war and that it is right to die for your country is a lie.

    Welcome to Hiroshima

    This poem is fascinating. It is a comparison of the destroyed Hiroshima and the re-born Hiroshima. The narrator’s undertone is one of sadness and anger at the way Hiroshima has rebuilt itself in a chipper manner over a devastating tragedy. She gives examples of this when she mentions the sunny coffee shops and the pizza topped with maraschino cherry. She appears disgusted that the devastating history of Hiroshima has been so easily forgotten and that the gruesome effects of those who suffered are portrayed by simple plastic figures. In the end she uses glass as a means of stating, you look but you don’t see and this blindness can cause history to repeat itself.

    In line twenty, the narrator says humanity erased its own erasure. Clearly, this is a symbol of the first destruction of Hiroshima by the bombing and the second destruction of Hiroshima by way of an unequal representation of the pain and suffering experienced. As well, the narrator uses the term “glass” repeatedly. A purpose of glass is to see through and protect what is on the other side; however, it is easily broken if not cared for properly. If humanity does not “see” the effects of Hiroshima, humanity will inevitably destroy again.

    Immigrants

    I found the poem interesting and sad. It is about an immigrant’s view of America and the steps one has to take in order to fit into the culture. They attempt to integrate by emulating American symbols. I find it sad that they feel compelled to hold back their own cultural practices. As well, I found it fascinating that the narrator chose blonde hair, blue-eyed dolls as role models of American culture for her children. Also, there seems to be a level of fear felt by the immigrants.

    Wrap their babies in the American flag. The word, wrap, means to encase or surround. Figuratively the narrator wants her children surrounded by American culture, protected with it. The line, whisper in Spanish or Polish, signifies the narrator has pushed their own culture to the side as unimportant

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  18. 1) I found the poem Dulce et Decorum est, by W. Owen fascinating because the poem is such a contradiction to its title. Dulce et decorum means “It is sweet and right”, yet the poem describes the horrors of a man watching his friend die from poison gas. “Flound’ring like a man in fire … I waw him drowning … choking, drowning” (12, 14, 16). This symbolizes the effects that the poison gas has on the author’s friend. “My friend, you would not tell with such high zest/To children ardent for some desperate glory/ The old lie; Dulce et Decorum est Pro patria mori” (25-28). This symbolizes the author telling someone not to lie to the kids volunteering to go to war that it is a good and noble thing to die for your country.
    2) I found Welcome to Hiroshima, by MJ Salter interesting because she is talking about a museum in Hiroshima. “Projects those flocking re-runs of a clouds/That brims its risen columnful like beer/And spilling over, hangs its foamy head” (2; 1-3). This symbolizes the atom bomb and its unmistakable mushroom cloud. “Where/how bravely, or with what mistaken cheer,/humanity erased its own erasure” (5; 2-4). This represents a memorial that was erected in Hiroshima to remember the dropping of the bomb and all the lives lost.
    3) I found Immigrants, by Pat Mora interesting in that the author indicates that immigrants believe that abandoning their traditions and immersing themselves completely in American society. “Feed them mashed hot dogs and apple pie” (2). This symbolizes feeding the immigrant children American culture; almost shoving it down their throats. “That dark parent fear” (11,12) represents the fear that all parents have about society’s acceptance of their children.

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  19. Dulce Et Decorum Est
    1. I find it interesting that a beautiful poem could come from such a horrile war.
    2. As far as symbolism goes, I don't think this poem was meant to e symbolic. I think it was a literal account of soldiers being gassed in world war 1. Some of the words used have a deeper meaning though, such as "ecstasy." This word means an intense feeling of joy, however I don't think soldiers were feeling much joy knowing they were being gassed. I think it means something more along the lines of a hightened state of awareness. potentially, their lives could be over if they didn't get their masks on, so in a last ditch effort to get their masks on they were basically "raging" to get their masks on. "raging" is often a turn used when discussing the effect of the drug ecstasy, but here the word fits. there would be so much adrenalin coursing through the soldiers veins as the attack happened.

    Immigrants
    1. What is interesting to me is how much this pisses me off. America is an awful place. The reason it's such an awful place is because with the exception of the native Americans, everyone is foreign. this is the reason America is so weak. we have no mutual history holding us together. It is a wonder America made it this far.
    2. when it's talking about wrrapping babies in the american flag, it means that tey are trying to shape their children into american. They teach their kids english, or engrish, or just don't teach them how to speak at all (my mother teaches kindergarten and she has at least 1 or 2 students every year who just cannot talk. native anguage or otherwise. ridiculous) The "blonde dolls that blink blue" is just reinforcing racism. The fact that they make blonde hair blue eyed dolls is almost racist itself. America, man. makes me sick.

    Hiroshima
    1. I don't find this interesting at all. frankly, i find it hard to concentrate on, which in my opinion, just means that its bad literature. that being said:
    2."living english" is not actually living. just means that it's flashy or moving or in some way captures your attention. "humanity erased it's own erasure" means that the tried to cover up the destruction.

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  20. Dulce et Decorum Est”
    1. The thing that I found interesting about this piece was the detail that the narrator described the situation around him. My husband is a veteran for the War on Terror in Iraq and I can’t imagine the things that he had to see while he was out there. So, for this author to be able to put what he saw in words is interesting.
    2. In one line the narrator says that the boys were” Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots” . This was a way to paint a picture that they were so tired and out of there mines. When I think of a person that is drunk, I think of a person who has no control over what they were doing. I think of this as a perfect way to brainwash these young man to do the things that they are doing. Also I see it as a way to tell them that if they just kill these last few men they will be able to go home and be safe. In that dilerous state the men were easy to believe and willing to do what they were told. Another line in the story says” As under a green sea, I saw him drowning”. Green is said to mean misfortune and I think that fits in this case. The sea is so big and the narrator wants you to know that the misfortune was all around him.
    “Immigrants”
    1. The thing that I found interesting in this piece was how bad the narrator wanted the children to be considered American. Sometimes the media makes us think that people in other countries don’t like us. They make us believe that people think we are fat, violent, and materialistic. So to see a point of view of a person that really wants to be an American is very interesting.
    2. The names that the narrator chose as American were Daisy and Bill. This means that the narrator wants to be an American, but to me, that means the person wants to white. Daisy and Bill are not names of all Americans and people from other countries tend to change their names to fit in while many Americans choose names that mean something. My daughter’s name is Jamilah, which means beautiful in Arabic. She is an American. Another thing that struck me was the when the narrator chose to say that the immigrants spoke Polish. When looking at the people coming to this country I don’t see a lot of Polish people.
    “Hiroshima”
    1. The thing about this that I found interesting was the mad undertone of the piece. The narrator didn’t sugar coat the way they felt about what happened to their country. They didn’t seem to like the English that was now on the billboards and around their country.
    2. “While the channel silent in the TV in the brain.” The brain is thought to be the communication network of the body, so if it is silent it might mean that you are not saying what you should. It might mean that people are walking around like robots and have no souls. Also they described the bomb like beer. Beer is an alcoholic beverage that so some might not like. It talks about how it foams and when you pour beer you can’t control the foam. The foam has a mind of its own and goes where ever it wants to go.

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  21. Dulce Et Decorum Est
    This poem is about slavery. It tells the torture the slaves went through and hardship the slaves went through during the slave era.
    2. The line ''but someone still was yelling out and stumbling''. This refers to how harshly they were treated.

    Immigrants
    This poem is about people who come from other parts of the country to the United States for a better life.They want their kids to live the American dream life.
    2. ''The whisper in Spanish or Polish''.indicates how they want their kids to learn the Spanish or Polish language too.

    1. This poem is about the bomb that destroyed Japan during the world war ii. The author was giving a flashback of what happened.

    2. The line ''Thirst for history''. The author is refering to how important it is to know about the history of events that happened many years ago.

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  22. Dulce Et Decorum Est

    1. The first thing that interested me was the title of the poem and how it's in a different language. What I also found interesting about the poem is how the the soldier dies. When it comes to war, which the poem was taken place in World War I, most soldiers die in the line of fire. In this case the man drowned which is unbelievable because you wouldn't expect that in a war at all.
    2. "Behind the wagon that we flung him in." The word wagon represents something you carry stuff in such as wood, sand, water, etc. In this case the men are carrying the dying soldier in the wagon. "The white eyes writhing in his face," the word white represents his soul. His eyes are rolling to the back of his head which is leading to his death.

    Immigrants

    1. What interested me the most is what people will go through just to be part of the American society ranging from what they wear, to the toys they play with, and even the types of names they are given.
    2. The names Bill and Daisy symbolizes two of the most used common names in America. "A football or tiny cleats" symbolizes football which is the most watched and popular sport in America.

    Welcome to Hiroshima

    1. This poem is set in the modern day time and talks about the bombing of Hiroshima which happened many years ago. What I found most interesting about the poem is that the memories of the inncodent are preserved behind glass so no one forgets about what happened to their country.
    2. The word glass is repeated several times in the poem. "An exhibit under glass is glass itself: a shard the bomb slammed in a woman's arm at eight-fifteen." Broken glass represents bad luck which means something bad is going to happen. Hiroshima was bombed which can be considered as bad luck, but the way the author uses the word glass, she makes it seem like something bad is going to happen again. In the poem it states that the water is clear and is used in a cup of tea "in one of the countless sunny coffee shops". The word sunny represents sunshine from the sun. The sun symbolizes the joy, energy, and life which is brought upon the people of Hiroshima.

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  23. Dulce Et Decorum Est
    1. I found the translation of the title to be interesting "It is sweet and fitting to die for ones country". Since in an actual war there is nothing sweet about your death but it is usually very painful and brutal.
    2. The line "Floundering like a man in fire or lime" is saying the man was paniced and quickly trying to put on his gas mask but didnt not get it on in time. The line "as under a green sea, i saw him drowning" is not saying he literally drowned in water but the poison filled his lungs and he was unable to breath fresh air. The green sea is the poison. The end of the poem says do not tell the men and women ready to fight that it is sweet and fitting to die for ones country. It is cancerous, they will surely die a horrible death.

    Hiroshima
    1. I though it was interesting choice of words the author used saying the museum was a recreation of horror. As if it is to much to relive the horrible event with a museum.
    2. The line talking about when it will be "Safe to drink the blood and scum afloat...the river" is saying not a piece of the last was safe, all was touched by the horror and it even spilled into the water ways. The childs watch seen in the museum stuck on 8:15. The time is important and therefore repeated three times...that is the time of the bombing.

    Immigrants
    1. I found it interesting the author is from Texas where there is such a high hispanic population, she must have observed this first hand.
    2. Thw parents whisper in spanish or polish when the children are sleeping is saying the parents want so badly for their child to be accepted and recognized as an American but they do not want the child to forget its heratige. Like know where you come from but keep it a secret. They wrap their babies in American flags is saying they provide and use every available resource America has to offer for their children. They want their children to be recognized as Americans.

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  24. "Immigrants"
    1. I found it very interesting the way that "outsiders" view Americans. It was interesting to me how they identified Americans with blue eyes who liked football and apple pie. I think that they hit good points when wanting to be an American. I also found it interesting how they wanted to whisper in their native language at night so that the Americans wont hear them and judge them. It blows my mind at how much people want to be an American and what their views on us really are.
    2. On the very first line Pat Mora writes, " wrap their babies in the American glag". This symbolizes the immagrants want to be an American. WIll go the lengths of wrapping their child in everything American such as hiding their own customs under their newly adapted ones from AMericans. WHen Mora writes, " whisper in Spanish" the whispering part symbolises being hush-hush about their own culture. They have to hide their primary cultury(spanish/polish) in order to become truely American and only show their American side.

    "Dulce Et Decorum Est"
    1. I found this entire story interesting actually. While seriving overseas I had to use my gas mask after being attacked and It was so easy to relate to this story. Men Marching in their sleep.that i have done all to many times from being so drawn out and exhausted.
    2. WHen Owens wrote, "an ecstasy of fumbling" this symbolises something such an unreal feeling when they are being attacked. Its soreal that it does not feel real at all.

    "Welcome to Hiroshima"
    1.I did not exactly enjoy the way this poem was written, it seemed to be difficult to follow. However, I did enjoy how the author tried to emphisis that this place shouldnt be clean and happy becuase of such a horrible past its had.
    2. The way the author describes the mutiations ," ...pizza topped with a marachino cherry" is just not supposed to be like that. The muations caused by the huge bomb caused normal everyday things, such as a pizza, to be warped out of recognition, with a cherry. ALso "while the channel silent in the TZV in the brain..." refers to the silence in the brain. Becuase of this horrible bomb, its as if everyones minds just stopped working and went blank.

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  25. Jill Lacy (#2 continued)April 25, 2011 at 1:43 PM

    Dulce Et Decorum Est
    2 (cont). WHen the author says,"like a devils sick of sin" he was referring to his dead face. Even though a dead face is not pretty as it is, a devils sick face just enphisises the look of horrid pain and terror on his dead face.

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  26. Dulce Et Decorum Est
    1) I found the poem to be very interesting because it was descriptive as well as graphic. The write used vivid expressions this made me anxious to read what was happening next which was fascinating because it was somewhat gory. The poem is about war, and the writer’s experience of war. The writer concludes by saying, “The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori” which means "It is sweet and fitting to die for one's country."
    2) In the poem fire in mentioned twice, the first in the line, “Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs”, flares are usual bright red flames that signal danger or take caution. The writer also mentions they were “haunting” the bright light would cast a shadow therefore creating a ghostly effect which represents the soldier’s awareness of the danger to come. Owen uses fire again to describe the effects of the gas on one soldier who didn’t seal his gas mask in time to avoid the chemicals. Owen writes “And floundering like a man in fire or lime--” the color red of the fire represents bloodshed and inevitably death. The man “flounders” around in panic trying to put the fire out he actually intensifies the flame, and eventually dies.
    Immigrants
    1) This poem is very interesting because it gives the point of view of an immigrant. The way Immigrants embrace America culture, without forgetting the culture they bring with them. It also reveals the fear same fears most parents have; however the immigrants also fear whether their children will be accepted as Americans even though their immigrants.
    2) The writer states “feed them mashed hot dogs and apple pie” Hot dogs and apple pie are two well-known symbols of American culture. This symbolized the Immigrants attempt to immediately Americanize their children. This it will allow them to be accepted as Americans. Mora also states “speak to them in thick English”, English is the spoken language in America, so the parents would want their children to grown up to speak correctly and probably without an accent, which to the parents defines the children as Americans.
    Hiroshima
    1) Hiroshima was interesting to me because the theme is set in the future and the writer has feelings about the past events in Hiroshima. She walked the reader through modern day Hiroshima. What was fascinating to me was the imagery. At first, the writer draws a picture-perfect Hiroshima; however the reader realizes even though the physical damage is no longer evident, the museum is a gruesome reminder of what happened many years before.
    2) The writer states, “that brims its risen columnful like beer”, literally beer is made from barley and it’s fermented. It also has frothy foam when it’s poured, which billows out of the glass if poured too quickly. The froth from the beer spilling is an appropriate representation because the cloud is not natural rather a poison gas cloud which brings destruction. The writer also says, “But no, the water’s clear_ they pour it for your morning cup of tea”. Literally water moves and has the ability to purify itself. The water in Hiroshima was at one time contaminated, the clear water represents the regeneration, or the vehicle of cleansing and purification the city went through to begin again.

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  27. Dulce Et Decorum Est
    1. This poem gave an interesting view of the war. Most people in the war do not want give details about it. Also I thought the translation of the title gave it an interesting twist. "It is sweet and fitting to die"
    2. “Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots” means that the soldiers were so fatigued they acted as though they were drunk and so fatigued that they acted as though they were deaf to the sounds. The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est” means that it is a lie that it is sweet and fitting to die.
    Hiroshima
    1. This poem talks about the bombing of Hiroshima. It gives an interesting account of the speaker being upset that no one remembers the bombing. The poem describes the bombing.
    2. “When to drink the blood” is describing the water and now it is safe to drink it. “As on a dish of blistered grass” is describing it as something pretty instead of so grim and dirty.
    Immigrants
    1. This poem is an interesting aspect of immigrants that move to American for freedom but yet they hind their heritage.
    2.“Buy them blonde dolls that blink blue” describing the typical American doll and the so called typical American person. The American flag symbolizes freedom in the United States.

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  28. Immigrants
    1. I found the fact that the immigrans would do anything for them and their families to fit in American interesting. The author showed many things that we define as American.

    2. The poem states "wrap their babies in the American flag" in the first line. The American flag represents freedom. By wrapping the babies in the American flag, the are protecting them by giving them freedom that they dont have in their on country. The fourth line states, :buy them blonde dolls that blink blue eyes". Blue eyes and blonde hair are the typical American image.

    Dulce et Decorum est
    1. the most interesting thing i found id how the poem shows how the war really was. The true fear and determination shows through the authors words.

    2. The first line os the second stanze states "Gas! Gas! Quick boys! -- An ecstasy of fumbling". That provides proof that a bomb has been dropped and every one is running around choatically. The last line of stanza two state "as under a greeen sea, I saw him drowning". He did not save the guy because he was jealous of him. He probably wished he was dying instead.

    Hiroshima
    1. I found the flash backs that the authir had interesting. The flashbacks were of the time when people suffered and had alot of traegy in their lives.

    2. in line 13, itstates " in one of those countless sunny coffee shops". Sunny means bright and youthful. Coffee shops are very friendly and a great hangout spot.

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  29. Dulce et Decorum Est
    1.The poem is about world war I . It was interesting in how in depth it was. Also it was neat how Dulce et Deocrum Est means "sweet and fitting it is". So he was happy serve his country in war.
    2,The line that says "As under a green sea I saw him drowning". I found that interesting since green is the meaning of envy. Its find how you can let jealousy get in the way of saving somebody.
    Immigrants
    1. The poem is in the point of view of an immigrant description of American Life.
    2. The 1st line "wrap their babies in the American flag" symbolizes freedom and peace.
    Also the lines " buy them blonde dolls that blink blue eyes or a football and tiny cleats" symbolizes american life.
    Hiroshima
    1. This poem was different because its written in a flashback way.
    2. The meaning of the poem is that things should be left how they were and not changed for the present

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  30. Dulce Et Decorum Est:
    1- What fascinates me about this poem is how the author uses paints a vivid image in the readers mind with the descriptions. You can really feel the eerie and dark vibe that the author is trying to convey. Also I like how the author uses many metaphors throughout this poem to make it interesting instead of just describing it in a plain, flat out way.
    2- A: "In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning." This selection is describing a soldier who has been wounded and running desperately towards the author. "Drowning" is figuratively describing that he is dying and choking on his own blood.
    B: The whole last paragraph is describing greatly how gruesome the war really was and it corrupts innocent men with violence and things they wouldnt normally do. Which is why the last line says that the soldiers will lie to the grandkids about the truth of it.
    Hiroshima:
    1- What interests me about this poem is how the author analyzes everyday things in Hiroshima in the present day, as just somewhat of cover ups to help move on from the tragedy. As if they skill had this darkness of the day still embedded in them. The descriptions were very good.
    2- A: When the author is talking about the Ohta River she describes how it is now safe to drink from again, but she is saying the death and tragedy still linger in the water as if it is still corrupted in that sense.
    B: When she talks about the memorial museum she is saying that even in the best accurate recreation of what happened it still doesnt even compare to the great impact of what really happened that day and it is almost a mockery because it doesnt do justice.
    Immigrants:
    1- I thought that the way the author describes this unspoken "fear" of being accepted in america as an immigrant was very interesting. I like how she describes typical american things such as the doll, and lays out the way those things are represented.
    2- A: When she describes the doll with blonde hair and blue eyes she is laying out what america has provided as a "blue print" for what is the norm. Showing false ideas on the way things should be.
    B: When she is describes parents talking in thick english and whispering their native language she is saying how parents want to "americanize" their children so they will be accepted in american society.

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  31. Dulce Et Decorum Est
    1. What I found interest about this was the mix of the languages at the end and the vivid language used to describe the scenes around them. It was described so vividly that you almost felt as if you were there. I also found it interesting how you could feel how they felt in the moments they were describing.
    2. Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
 and towards our distant rest began to trudge. Literally this is saying they turned there backs and left the events going on behind them and moved forward to pursue what was ahead. symbolically this is saying they left all the shamble and chaos behind them and moved on to the better and rest of the fight. Fire also represents symbolically aggression blood and war . So there turning there backs to these things to move forward.

    Welcome to Hiroshima
    1. What I found interesting about this one is the vivid lanuage used to describe this and everything you see. In this poem your can really see how they feel as well. But I also found it interesting how they drastically changed there tone it was kinda upbeat then they went back to not let you forget what happened.
    2. you feel a thirst for history: what year
    it started to be safe to breathe the air, Literally this is saying to learn. Your egar to learn something but symbolically its saying your so egar to learn you describing it to the feeling of being thirsty. The want to learn is bad so there. When they say safe to breath the air there referring to the bombings and referencing Hiroshima .

    Immigrants
    1.I found it interesting how they described America with such hope and dreams. You could tell how they felt about it and enough to wrap there baby pride and joy into the flag you can tell the love and feelings they have for it .
    2. wrap their babies in the American flag. The American flag represents many different things like fighting courage and strength and the colors represents these things to . And to wrap there babies in these means how much they care.

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  32. NKIRU OTALUKA
    Immgration
    this poem is interesting because it is about a family struggling to better their children's life; and also abandon their cultural and tradional life in desperate to become American. The end of the poem says, "will they like our boy,our girl, our fine American boy, our fine American girl". These parents were afraid if American society will reject or accept their children. with all the effort the parents make to blend their children into amrican culture by speaking thick english to their to them, " hallow babee hallow", they still not sure about the acceptance.
    In line one,two and three says:"wrap their babies in the American flag, feed them mashed hot dogs and apple pie, and name them Bill and Daisy". these symbolize the american fashion, dress, food and names, the family use trying to become American.

    WELCOME TO HIROSHIMA
    this is interesting because the narrator was upset about the tragedy that happened to Hiroshima many years ago. he taught people have forgotten the victims of the incident and the air is safe to breathe. this symbolize that the tragedy polluted and the clean water. "when to drink the blood and scum afloat on the Ohta River" this quote symbolize the contamination of the water with dead bodies and the blood dripping from the bodies to the water.
    DULCE ET DECORUM
    this poem is interesting because of its tittle, which means it is "sweet and right" and because it is about war and soldiers who were fighting and dieing for their country. in line four it says "drunk with fatigue;deaf even to the hoots". this symbolize how tired the soldiers were and that they were deaf because of the noise from their gun shells. the soldiers were in a horrible war battle and still they kept fighting for their country.
    Five and nines mentioned in line six symbolize the explosive shells,the soldiers use against their enemies. but not only they use it to overcome the enemies, they also breathe the polluted air. the gas mentioned in line 8 " Gas! Quick, boys!- An ecstasy of fumbling, fitting the clumsy helmets" symbolize poisonous gas they the author was telling them to wear their helmets(mask)to protect from inhaling the poison gas that would fillied their lungs.

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  33. Ahuefa Nindji TrenouApril 26, 2011 at 9:02 PM

    1. What is interesting, striking, or unusual about this poem is the very title Dulce et decorum est. Thes first words of a latin saying taken by an ode by Horace are quoted during World War I. They mean It is sweet and right. In this poem, Owen, wanted to say death should be sweet and one's right to die for his country. He goes later on to say PRO PATRIA latin for the country. What other way to die but to die with honor, a justified death for your country!
    2. However, the overall message of this poem by Owen does not end there. It expands upon a story of the developments of atrocities of war like being blind, limp, or lame. The undignified way of dying by gases, trenches, gurgling, choking, and drowning. He even mentions lime a white chalky substance that burs human skin.
    3. Sackcloth and Blood are two intriguing words. They have themes that are biblical and symbolic. Sackcloth is associated with the color black. Black is the color of evil, death, sorrow for instance. Sackcloth is associated with what comes after death---mourning. It could also be associated with the color white. Blood it is the color of passion, fire, war for instance. It is the main theme of this poem war. Blood symbolizes what keeps the bother together but the lack of it or the hemmorrage of it symbolizes the end of one's life. War implies the fight for survival but also the fight to the death.

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  34. Dulce Et Decorum

    1)Wilfred Owen's poem "Dulce Et Decorum Est" was written during his World War I experience. Owen, an officer in the British Army, deeply opposed the intervention of one nation into another.His poem explains how the British press and public comforted themselves with the fact that, terrible that is was, all the young men dying in the war were dieing noble, heroic deaths.The reality was quite different: They were dieing obscene and terrible deaths. Owen wanted to throw the war in the face of the reader to illustrate how vile and inhumane was really is.

    2)He explains in his poem that people will encourage you to fight for your country, but, in reality, fighting for your country is simply sentencing yourself to an unnecessary death. When you think of war, the color red comes to mind. It symbolizes blood, death, and violence.
    The breaks throughout the poem indicate the clear opposition that Owen strikes up. The title of the poem means "Sweet and Fitting it is," and then Owen continues his poem by ending that the title is, in fact, a lie.

    Hiroshima

    1)Hiroshima traces the experiences of six residents who survived the atomic blast of August 6, 1945.Hersey chose six people who varied in age, education, financial status and employment. He interview these six people to get an indept look into the nightmare that took place. The book opens with what each person was doing moments before the blast and follows their next few hours, continuing through the next several days and then ending with their situation a year later.
    2)Hersey didnt want people to forget what happened years ago. He felt that people have forgotten the victims of the incident and forgot about the air being unsafe to beathe. "When to drink the blood and scum afloat on the Ohta River" this quote symbolizes the contamination of the water with the many dead bodieswhich had blood dripping from them. This made the water unsafe.

    Immigrants

    I loved this peom! P. Mora was trying to get a strong pont across. She made it clear that immigrants who came from other countries tried so hard to fit into the American culture, that they would wrap thier babies in the American flag, feed the mash potatoe, and other American dishes. She also mention that they would buy blonde hair dolls with blues eyes. What this means, is that the immigrants tried so hard to fit in, that they was erasing the heritage. They even would only whisper their native language to the children.The parents were afraid of rejection from the american society. They wanted their children to be accepted by the Americans.

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  35. Ahuefa Nindji TrenouApril 26, 2011 at 9:25 PM

    HIROSHIMA

    What is interesting, striking is the poignant words like glass and sharp that you feel as the bomb explodes in Hiroshima. What is worthwhile is the cadence that the poet MJ Salter used to convey her message. It has rythm. The words rhyme and ring to our ears. All makes sense. There is a sense of irony between the comic and not so comic quite dramatic scene of the bombing.
    2. The overall message is nothing can be quite real than the actual bombing while americans are on the other side with the tv, the pizza, the beer, the cheer, the japanese are bombed, gased, eradicated, affected, hurt, dead. A screech at eight fifteen the poet relives us in the moment. Hiroshima is real.
    3. Glass and cloud have two different themes. Glass is a solid substance through which you can look through or a cup from which you may drink from. In this case, America is looking at the tv like a piece of glass to see Japan under a microscope. Cloud is the symbol of higher truths. In this caee these higher truths learned about nuclear energy was used for bombing and eradication. It was used for the purpose of war, to kill.

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  36. Ahuefa Nindji TrenouApril 26, 2011 at 9:35 PM

    Immigrants

    What is interesting about this poem is the interaction between the immigrant parents and their American born babies that they cover under the American flag and traditions so that they spurt as fine american boys and girls! They speak to them in the language, whispering, but out loud they present strong patriotism for the country they now live in.
    2.
    The overall message is keep your American babies together in America everywhere, let all of them unite. Let culture be whispered and America honored and pledged. Let names be the same and tradition whispered. Let food be American and tradition food be cooked secretively if not at all. Let the games be football and the games be socially appropriate and the rest forgotten or put in the back of the minds. Let our babies be proud of the soil they live in instead of where they are from. That is the resonance, I got from this poem.
    3. Red, White and Blue, patriotism--- the AMERICAN FLAG! Red is for patriotism dying for one's country, White is for Peace, death, and blue is for authority, not forgetting the yellow stars which are for glory and royalty. The symbolism is great for America is great. It is the great American Dream for the Immigrants to pursue like any other American they wish the best for their child born on American soil and thus American!

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  37. Sherkennya KennedyApril 27, 2011 at 4:45 AM

    Dulce et Decorum Est
    This poem talks about the visuals of a man in war. He tells about all that he experienced while being in the war many years ago. He tells how they marched. They marched so much that "men marched asleep." They were extremely tired and fatigued from marching and being attacked. In one example they were gassed. Many of the soldiers of that time were drafted and had no experience in how to fight a war. He used a metaphor saying, "As a green sea..." To me green means inexperience and misfortune. He saying that a fellow soldier was drowning in a way to say that he was dying because he was inexperienced.

    Hiroshima
    This poem tells about all the things that you will see, experience, and worry about when you visit Hiroshima. Hiroshima is a part of the largest island in Japan. It talks about the food and the preparation of food. It also talks about the water and how in the past, the water was not pure enough to drink. It talks about the language and how some things are american, and they try to make it more american. It also uses the word "glass" a lot. To me this symbolizes that your able to see to the bottom of things to know if it is right or wrong.

    Immigrants
    In this poem, it talks about how immigrants wanted to make their children as American as they could. They would give them American names, talk to them in english instead of their native language. They would buy them toys that are to be labeled as the american boy and girl toys (a blonde hair blue eyed doll for the girl and a football for the boy. The 2nd leading language in the U.S. is spanish. So they would speak (whisper) to their children at night in spanish.

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  38. Dulce et Decorum Est

    1. I found Dulce et Decorum Est interesting because the author seems to "beg pardon" for his lack of patriotism, essentially saying that if we too had gone through what he had then we would feel the same way. While the language paints a vivid picture with expressions like "blood-shod," the word's tone is that of the grim calmness of a tired soldier. A soldier's who has been told that time would heal all wounds, yet his are as fresh as the day they were gouged in to his mind.

    2. The blood that shods the soldiers' bare feet denotes the color red, which is representative of aggression. The wounds caused by WWI, though they will physically heal, will be carried by the men for the rest of their lives, making them unable to utter the words, "Dulce et Decorum est Pro patria mori." Also, the "green cloud" and "green sea" described are symbolic of the soldiers' inexperience. The narrator of the poem further expresses his inexperience when he refers to his "helpless sight." The inexperience of the soldier killed by poison gas is also further shown when he is described as being one who has "incurable sores on [his] innocent tongue..."

    Welcome to Hiroshima

    1. I found this poem fascinating because though the narrator's surroundings are innocent, the mind cannot stop thinking of the horrific past. As the narrator see the welcome sign, what really plays in his head is the news footage viewed so many years ago of the mushroom cloud rising over the city. The variations of cuisine are not, in the narrator's mind, an effort to come up with a new gourmet delight, but rather they are mutations of a meal. Even in the memorial museum the "re-created horror mocks the grim original."

    2. The glass that is mentioned several times throughout the poem is heavily symbolic. The first item mention that relates to glass is the the "TV of the brain." While the word "glass" is not directly stated, TV screens have been made of glass for decades. By looking through this glass, people are able to see the horrors of the atom bomb, but it is not a complete view because the TV camera cannot capture the true devastation that ensued. Later, the narrator looks "behind the glass" of a coffee shop to see the "mutations of cuisine" but seeing the mutations through the glass, you cannot taste the clashing flavors that this mutation has caused. "Through more glass" the mannequins are designed to show the true effects of the atom bomb but even they cannot tell the whole story: their "recreated horror mocks the grim original." Therefore, the glass represents a partial glimpse into Hiroshima's history.

    Immigrants

    1. I found this poem fascinating because America has for centuries been known as the "melting pot" of the world. America, at it's beginning, was completely made up of immigrants, and yet the immigrants protrayed feel they must go through great lengths to "Americanize" their children.

    2. The blonde hair of the doll actually represents America's European roots as that characteristic blonde hair is most common in Scandenavian countries. The blue eyes of the doll are also symbolic of America's European roots, but they have a deeper symbolic meaning as well. Blue is the color of loyalty and by giving their children a doll with blue eyes they are encouraging their child to be loyal to America and their European background at the same time.

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  39. Dulce Et Decorum Est

    In this poem the author describes life during World War I and how he describes the gruesomeness of war. It interest me in that I have experienced some of these things in war time situations. He depicts the way the soldiers are all beaten down and mentally tired, yet keep marching. He goes on to describe how the soldiers react during a gas attack and the one unfortunate soldier who wasn't ready in time and was lost to "The green sea..."

    Hiroshima

    The interesting part of this poem is the accuracy in which the author describes Hiroshima and it's area. As someone who has seen this area firsthand, the author gives such a vivid an accurate account that if you close your eyes you may think you're there.

    Immigrants

    I find that in the poem the author describes the way many immigrants try to change their theirs and their children's looks and language to try to fit into the way they feel Americans should look. The lengths some go to even before their children "...can even walk," shows how far they are willing to go to fit in with American culture.

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  40. Shannon Cagle

    Immigrant

    1. Living the american dream is to have that perfect chld with the blonde hair, blue eyes and can throw that perfect throw or cheer a perfect cheer. Many immigrants come to the United States, just so they could have that perfect dream that they have always wanted. The dream of being free, without the restraints that are held against them in their own homelands. Enjoy a day sitting at the park enjoying a cookout eating hotdogs and apple pies with their family and friends. WIthout the worries of whats going to happend next, where will be tomorrow, or am I going see the light of the today. The American Dream is without worry, of the mere acceptance of tomorrow. Its to bad that the Americans don't recognize, how lucky they really are to have the freedom speech. Their are actually people out in this world who would die to live the kind of dream that we all live.

    2. In the second line of the story it talks about apple pie, it is the american past time dish, for any occasion. With its red thick skin, and its juicy insides, thats so good for the body. Like the ole saying goes, "An apple a day keeps the doctor away." Then line three with the Bill and Daisy sounds like the american country boy and girl names that were given out back in the day. The daisy that grows in the prairies, for the children to run in. The prairies are symbolic the wagoneer days, when playing outside was the children could do.

    Hiroshima

    1. Was a true tragedy for all, the poem to me was confusing a but understandable. I had a hard time following the tracing back, remembering what had happened back then. I could relate from the story the mere tragedy they all had occured without actually incounting the event first hand. The people who survived this horrific event live to speak for the ones who passed. The museum moderately profess the accounts of the happening without going into great detail. Then to wrap it all up, this could still happen to us once again.

    2. The words in line 8 say it all, the thirst for history. We all want know what happened in the past, and crave that drink for knowledge what we could do, not to have relive the past. Knowledge that we learn to expand on, to make us stronger better people. Living behind the glass to shield us from the horror of once was. The horror of what could easily happen again.

    Dulce Et Decorum Est

    1. This story of the men watching as their fellowman die in front of them, with the green gas sprewing from their insides. The gagging of the thick gas, that the men dream about. With monster that grow within those men once they were able to come to the families whom could never understand the horror of which they experienced. The damage that was brought against them, for standing up for their country to serve.

    2.The first line of the story, 'like old beggars" makes you think that they are men on the streets praying for their next meal. Not men fighting in a war, dying from the gas being brought upon them. A war, of two people against one another, fighting for their own cause. This is symbolic in that the men are only defending their country, not each other.


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  41. The poem immigrants tlaks of the difficulties and fears immigrant parents face when attempting to give their children a new life here in America. They make painstaking effort to teach their children the language, having them fit in visibly and audibly by buying them dolls with blue eyes and speaking in strained english.

    Hiroshima is a poem about the new japan, modern and technologically advanced, yet a culture still reserved and ever conscious of its loss during the war. While there are billboards displaying english, touting the latest technology, and foods once unfamiliar to the region such as pizza being served daily, there are still the reminders of the past kept behind glass, kept as a memory but not a burden.
    The third poem Dulce Et Decorum Est, describes a war taking place, and the horrors the men suffer while participating in said war. Their lungs are corrupted from gas, and men die in front of their comrades. The poem almostseems to question the sensibility or need of war,and even the extreme patriotism that inevitably leads to it.

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  42. “Immigrants”

    The most interesting part about the “Immigrants” is how they talked to the children in English and then later whisper in their ears in the parents native language. Also, the parents are willing to do whatever it takes for their children to have a better life in America even if it means giving up a part of their own culture.

    In lines 9 and 10 the Arthur is saying the parents would whisper in the child ears their native language. By doing so the parent wants the child to be able to communicate in their native language. Being able to speak in you native language and speak a second language is like knowing where you have come from and being able to have choices as to where you are headed.

    “By them blonde dolls”, the parents are willing to change their culture to make sure the children know what Americans are into. Brain washing the child to make them become more Americanized, so there would be a better chance for the child is perceived as an American.

    “Dulce Et Decorum Est”

    “Dulce Et Decorum Est” in this story the men appear to be drunk and they were trying to suppress their feelings as to what happened on the battle field. They were fighting for their country. The most fascinating part was when the solders seem to give up they still kept fighting.

    “Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots but limped on, blood-shod.” In this line of the poem it shows the determination of the solders to keep on fighting even though they have very little fight left in them.

    “As under green sea, I saw him drowning” Green symbolize inexperience and misfortune therefore the man was not going to make it and he died as well.


    “Welcome to Hiroshima”

    “Welcome to Hiroshima” remembering the past has brought back memories of thousands who had died and the lives that were destroyed. The city no longer had the imaged that it once was known for. I liked that the Arthur gave descriptive details of the events that had taking place in the city. It gave me a picture in my mind as I read along.

    “And when to drink the blood and scum afloat” Drinking the blood symbols the Jesus blood meaning purity. Just like when the church has communion and they drink the wine which symbolized the blood of Jesus meaning their sins are all cleared.

    “Rising to the surface once again”, symbols Jesus recreation which means that what people they thought they killed will come back alive because they have no control over who will live or die and the truth will come to light one day.

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